The Power of Intent | Prayer Vs Science -- why emotions matter too Spok!

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The Power of Intent

Ever since the dawn of time man has lent himself to the pervasive yet highly variant range of empowerment's, faith's, belief's, understanding, mode's, models and systems. It has recently led to the birth of modern science, atheism and the culture as we know it today - even modern psychology must play a part in the understanding of 'belief' and it's relativity to intent.

Indeed the relativity between two people, ought to now muster the idea of such a thing as Einsteins theory of relativity. Indeed, psychology - ought to think of Newtons Law - every force has an equal and opposite force. What if for every skill an autistic person doesn't have socially - a 'force' or kind of 'balance' see's to it that, for what is not extrovert-able, there must be some second 'current' of introversion.

As many may know my work on this forum seems to have focused strongly on this concept of the Egyptian duality of an encapsulated Universe, of art and science. External observation, and internal cortex movement of the minds eye. Mainly because when talking about duality, I find it easy to think on nearly all 'accepted science' - and be able to agree - just, sometimes, not for the same reasons that the scientists 'think exist'.

For instance, we think of NLP and Psychotherapists as something quite of a new and advanced beginning. The dogma of medical and psychiatric science of the 20th Century surely sealed the fate of this unbeknown 'stigmatic lie' - for clearly as any Scientific Atheist, or indeed, otherwise, could note. There is extremely profuse use of Psychological, dualistic, literal and metaphorical, realities vs imaginations, presented in most ancient Text, teachings of wisdom such as the buddhist Dharma, even the bible. Apparently this is 'contemptible control' and enslavement of the mind. Then surely too it is a technology, and technologies have important uses too. ( don't just remove the sun, we need that tech.) (So then what about don't just remove emotional prayer?? Please, Read on. It's no Dogma lesson, it's science)

These recent years I do not find myself disagreeing with atheists at all - psychologically these men have made their mind up - of course though, perhaps they are, as indeed I am, subject to the same psychological failings as any other man. Which of course if true, would not only be interesting, but provocative into understanding the sociocultural and sociopolitical shifts as a result of the modern 20th century birth of science. I think I'm saying [b] some people thought that because religion was 'too good to be true' it was - and maybe that is true - but all the wisdom and psychological metaphorical ideas - are key to the mastery of the self, perhaps - at least in my opinion - I would say critical to the mastery of the self, the mind, and the basis , and source of most modern Laws of Legality and Science.

There is indeed a temporal shift over the ages - and the apparent secret is - that all cultures are based on the existence of belief , and intent, empowerment and distraction. Indeed relativistic dualities could be a relevant factor in understanding the relationship not just between two entangled particles via action at a spooky distance, but perhaps people too. Now, do not think I am trying to relate man to some sort of misguided Quantum Factor - oh no. Nothing of such.


Prayer as a scientific Tool for All
Could it not be that the masonic, hermetic and magickal traditions of mental prayer, and/or physical ritual could have a profound effect on the person - without needing any scientific validation on what is going on outside - standing on only the most basic of assumptions to the science we call psychology?

I say yes, undoubtedly.

I put forward the notion that ritual and prayer, is a bit like routine - in fact, identical to it - apart from the mind is considered even more important, and it is carefully guided in prayer , at the very least, if one realises the psychological routines that effect oneselves.

The real doozy for me, was - what happens when you realise the psychological routine exists? One of only two things no doubt, you decide that it's of no worth because its 'placebo' - or you realise that this 'placebo' is the most effective and provocative tool to be harvested, thought on, and guided through ourselves and others. Is this idea of 'magick' or 'ritualistic magick' really magick at all?

I don't think there is any such thing as 'magic' - just highly advanced technology, not as we know it. These are advanced technologies of temporal embed. Nodes of reference to an idea or a belief. Science calls it brainwashing, and it is - at least if it is abused. The same could be said for splitting the atom, science calls it the greatest achievement of modern man , and it is, at least if it was not abused. I find this relationship, and mirror most interesting. Reflecting upon it, you could say, has permanently changed my life.

The Egyptians

Of course in this thought it was difficult not to think of the Egyptian Dynasties yet again. The Egyptians were using what is known as Talismans for thousands and thousands of years before Jesus Christ, and as many scientific atheists whom are learned in their ancient texts and scripture of old - they will know most of the traditional symbolism, and 'magick' - which is not really magick but models and understandings of wisdom's, just like the talismans.

What I don't understand is, that if this is accepted then, a litteral context for large majorities of these writings may be unwise quite literally . This is of course dependent on the form that these symbolism's, contexts and metaphorical wisdom's are ordered and intended, and indeed as many Scientists and 'men of faith' will say, 'only god knows' or 'only the person who wrote the text' really knew what they meant, or intended.


Merely a Tool of Control
Some may conject that Religion is merely a tool of control. This may be almost as a foolish thought as the previous self-subjection to the supposed 'evils of religion' - surely any tool of control , just like in science and just like in universal law - is responsible for advanced utilitarian technology of both metaphorical and literal wisdom. As surely indeed to me, the Atom can be abused and nature can be offended by atomic missiles, as much as a man can be abused and tortured via psychological , unconscious symbolic talismans in religion, indeed as well as great energies and benefit could be extracted from the atom, as well as great energies of benefit could be extracted from religions tool of prayer, not the religion itself.

I'm questioning whether throwing out the whole book, was wise, when advanced psychological technologies predating ours thousands of years are in it - and these 'evil controls' - seem to have been most highly effective. Could it really be that the modern breakdown of family is a result of this? Could empowerment and emotional sentiment philosophy and ethics saved them? What does science say of ethics, and indeed normality. What does science have to say about man? Well, science says disclude man, not a very logical course. Which is why I am so glad Quantum Electro Dynamics came along with the observer effect. I truly believe one day, man will consider himself in all things - and this will not be an arrogance or ignorance or a willingness to control, but more of an acceptance of the needs of hope, charity, and patience in wisdom.

Was it dangerous to throw out the wisdom with the 'untruths' and 'brainwashing' in religion and the bible? I personally see it as a guarantee to danger in thinking on these levels, and the only assumption I made other than your regular Atheist is, you're right about the 'brainwashing' and 'control' bit.

Ethics, determining what is right? Or insisting it? & Knowing the difference.

Brainwashing, Control, or not - these technologies are real. They psychologicaly worked for a long time, they played on human emotions, in many respects they sequestered and calmed our emotions, they made us fearful of gods revenge, power, and gave us things like hope and morality. Something Science struggles to include, in fact, goes so far out of its way to disclude.

Could this be, once stung twice shy? Culturally of course? Perhaps, I think the real main point is just because prayer and Religion and God, seemed like a system of control doesn't mean systems of control, or emotional bondage should be ignored and isolated from experiments that ultimately must relate and aid the human race.

Scientific Logic VS the human Emotional drives

[b] Perhaps it is unsurprising in the 20 and 21st Century the rise of great modern science & commercial civilisation, and indeed the rise of moral breakdown is a result of a misguided interpretation that because there are many non litteral fables (i.e. non scientific) in the bible, it means they do not relate to either technology (like talismans) or man himself. For indeed, as so many scientists point out, it perplexes them why the religious tree continues.

Perhaps indeed the 'religious tree' continues because Man is not just a litteral being, he has imagination - the ability to see the future and the past, perhaps not exactly like it was , or will be, but effectively enough to be able to make predictions, and to take the opportunities to become a genius intellectual by grasping these forces of instinct and intuition and using them effectively.

If this is indeed true, at least in the psychology of man , to which prayer would seem to reside, and act as a sort of temporal node of reference (which is what makes this control/brainwashing work) - it is not just a tool, or a science - but a criticality of the emotional sentiments and indeed, material balance of man.

Indeed the idea laid out can explain nearly every single cultural result of the adoption of science and the attempt to 'destroy religion' . I put forward that we cannot destroy all of religion entirely, without destroying the emotions and illogicality of man. For there is a greater logic - a complex enough idea to quickly become useful - doesn't just depend on logic alone, but the universes imagination of the future.

Yes another metaphor, what it means is sometimes logic is irrelevant to the temporal equities of life. Sometimes breaking from that logic can be the greatest empowering and liberating force, and perhaps that does not mean brain control, or believing in god at all.

Something quite different all together. A peace with all things, and a mutual respect and understanding with all things, as if they were just reflections of yourself. And this is what I think is the technology of Prayer and Ritual. The movement through time and space physically, and the mnemonic of physical and mental neurological changes, which can act as a node for reference , a strength of character , or enough faith in ones self to achieve totally scientific goals , a bit of selflessness and kindness wouldn't go a miss either.

It might not be scientific, but if the universe is scientific, how can humans be the way they are? ERROR IF SCIENCE == LOGIC and UNIVERSE == SCIENCE how can we explain the emotional human? Oh, evolution, just temporal 'nodes' through time and space.

Who was it who said science and religion were different? I for one have seen them as identical ideas for a long time , and now you can see why. Man is not a computer, there are emotions, and they are not logical, that is why religion existed for so long, and continues; we cannot throw out these emotions unless at great cost, or without considering them still - even if there is no 'God' of dictat to control us - it would seem, Science is illogical - it would ask us to throw away what we are, and sometimes that cost might be just as 'too high' as this supposed lie of Religions unlitteral, unscientific metaphorical writings,

If scientists start acting like spok without the tantrums, then maybe, just maybe there is hope. Until then, I would add all technology is important, but how important the technology is determines how important the idea is in us. Necessity is the mother of all invention, and convention too - it seems. I predict it will not be long until man learns there are emotional talismanic wisdom's that must be maintained in ancient text . The use of personal empowerment might just save us from normality. IF normality is purely logically based decisions - which it isn't - but if it was - I'd be a sadder man. We must be what we are, that does not mean to be purely emotional beings, but for now at least - not to deny it along with God, and at great cost to ourselves and others .

I ask you friends is this not wisdom? I accept your wish of no God and King? Is this wisdom? Maybe, but don't forget about yourselves, for 'heavens sake'.

This might seem cleche, but to me it looks very much like prayer and religion are as much to do with time and space, as they are about us. This is not a trick - but requires more thought than one might think the first few thousand anlayses.

This is how I see metaphor vs literalism. and knowledge vs wisdom. It's not just technology dependent. Or scientifically dependent, emotions are coming into play, _all the time_
Wisdom changes, then knowledge does - NOT JUST THE REVERSE!

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